FRINGE: Gone Baby Gone – Peter Fam In Never Never Land

A few people have asked what Peter’s ‘disappearing act’ in the season 3 Fringe finale means for baby Henry.

My take follows the jump.

It stands to reason that if Peter never existed in this iteration of time, then he never met Altlivia and she never gave birth to Peter’s Henry. If you remove Peter, you take his direct bloodline out of the equation, and memory of their existence collapses.

It’s quite apt that father and son, both connected to the BBM, should both be ‘sacrificed’ to whatever place, timeline, or conscious existence they now reside. Peter and his fam, hooked to Never Never Land.

It’s tough luck on Henry, given he was not long in both outcomes that were on offer.

Story-wise, this certainly frees Altlivia up next season, while one of the most pertinent questions will surely concern the whereabouts of Peter Bishop. Though it’s certainly not out of the question that rather than just flashing out of a room full of familiar faces, he also flashed into a room full of familiar faces. That’s just my mind going places though. There’s an entire lowatus to speculate.

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  1. FinChase says

    I’m not entirely sure I’m happy with the removal of baby Henry. It seemed to do so much for AltLiv’s character, opening up a side of her we didn’t get to otherwise see.

    My guess is that when Peter finally pops out of wherever he’s hiding–probably Olivia’s subconscious–baby Henry will also return in all his infantile glory.

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    • says

      “My guess is that when Peter finally pops out of wherever he’s hiding–probably Olivia’s subconscious–baby Henry will also return in all his infantile glory.”

      Interesting suggestion. I think that’s possible.

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  2. WaySeeker says

    so … if Peter never existed, then how DID Walter ruin Walternate’s universe?
    How come Peter’s BBM opening a hole between universes is good but Walter’s was bad?
    If they really are the First People … what’s with the funky language (what is it, D’ni? Klingon?) and how did they figure it out AND get a translation across back in time? AND the different view of time with the sun symbol time thingy? Things change that much in 15 years?
    At least this finally makes sense of how Peter could have mistaken Altlivia for Blulivia … he didn’t recognizer her because he never existed! This explains so many other things, like how he can bust down doors and not die and the oddness of Northwest Passage and stuff.
    All except Man X … and the mole baby. :p

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    • says

      “so … if Peter never existed, then how DID Walter ruin Walternate’s universe?”

      Walter and Bellie were interested in the alternate universe prior to Walter taking Peter. It’s possible that a different set of circumstances lead to Walter/Bell crossing over. In that final scene Walter says what he did was an “accident”, so it seems that whatever he did was less intentional than his act of stealing Peter (and being fully aware of the potential consequences) in the other timeline.

      “How come Peter’s BBM opening a hole between universes is good but Walter’s was bad?”

      Think of Peter as a chef – he knows what he’s doing with the pastry. He knew where to make the incisions to join the universes without causing the kind of reckless damage that Walter caused during the Zero Event. Peter’s act may (or may not) have caused some damage, but the kind that they could live with while they tackle the larger problems.

      “If they really are the First People … what’s with the funky language (what is it, D’ni? Klingon?) and how did they figure it out AND get a translation across back in time? AND the different view of time with the sun symbol time thingy? Things change that much in 15 years?”

      We don’t know where the BBM came from. For all we know it might not have been created by Walter. During the first loop (or an earlier iteration, if you will) the FP (our future Fringies) may simply have adopted the language and incorporated it into some pages of the manuscript (i.e. the one’s that Walternate has). They may have come to know what it means at some point (we only saw May 2026, after all).

      The FP calendar is interesting. Perhaps Walter devised it based on his future research prior to sending the BBM back through time? Maybe the Observers provided some input – just as they did in “Over There” Part 1 when leaving the prophesy drawing for Olivia? There seem to be a few possible explanations.

      “At least this finally makes sense of how Peter could have mistaken Altlivia for Blulivia … he didn’t recognizer her because he never existed! This explains so many other things, like how he can bust down doors and not die and the oddness of Northwest Passage and stuff.
      All except Man X … and the mole baby. :p”

      Hehe! :D And I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a wee element of truth to that.

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  3. Pat says

    ok heres a theory:

    Man X is Peter.

    He exists in Olivia’s mind, because he did exist.

    I’m still working on the intricacies of this theory, but i hope this gets a good debate going so that i may fine tune the theory.

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    • says

      I certainly wouldn’t rule out subconscious insertions. I think that’s a line of thinking that could prove fruitful.

      Though we’d need to consider why Man X doesn’t resemble Peter and why he’d apparently kill Olivia?

      Still, it’s well worth examining the possibilities!

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    • Schwakamole says

      I personally don’t think that Peter is Man X. However, I do believe that Olivia is somehow able to foresee into the future and not just the future of her present timeline but into other timelines as well. This will be what will lead her to Peter in another timeline. I’m thinking projection Peter is gonna show up again and lead her to the real Petah in another timeline.

      The interesting question is will Peter remember he was from Timeline A when he shifts to another timeline? Will he remember Olivia?

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  4. Underseer says

    Some thoughts on what season 4 may hold:

    At the end of the finale, I counted only *ten* Observers standing in front of the Statue of Liberty, included the one obscured by The writers have indicated that there are 12 Observers, one for each month, hence their names. We know that one allowed himself to be killed, but I assume that he would have to be replaced? So why hasn’t he yet? What are the Observers waiting for?

    WaySeeker, perhaps the 11th is the mole baby, but then who is the twelfth? Is it possible that ALL the Observers are former humans, erased by some means (for reasons – and by persons – unknown) from all knowledge of the rest of humanity? Perhaps Peter will become an Observer, or something like it?

    I would say a really cool and freaky resolution to the mole baby is that he’s Henry Bishop – remember Walternate messed with his DNA, although I heard a rumour that one of the writers said on Twitter that he’s gone for good.

    However here’s an even crazier thought: perhaps mole baby IS Peter, reborn into our world somehow, probably triggered by Olivia?

    But it would make a crazy kind of sense: remember that, for beings that can move themselves (and others) back and forth through time, their sequence of events would be different to ours.

    So while it seems to us that mole baby’s appearance happened long before Peter’s Liberty Island obliteration, mole baby could have manifested as a result of the Liberty Island event. In the time travel genre, a future event can trigger a past one.

    WaySeeker, we don’t know Peter’s ripping holes in the universes was a good thing. While it seems to have been engineered or at least assisted by the Observers’ machinations, their seeming ruthlessness hardly guarantees they have a agenda beneficial to either ‘verse.

    You raise good points about the BBM – perhaps the language is an encryption to prevent unauthorised use, but then Sam Weiss and his forebears decrypted it – although I’m almost certain the story Weiss told Olivia is either a half-truth or an outright lie. ‘Don’t trust Sam Weiss’ as the anagram said.

    The ending did create some dead ends in the plot. The data in the shapeshifter cpus that Bellivia was going to decode for Peter but then never did, that seems likely to be forgotten.

    And so much of the season was aimed at discovering how Olivia could cross universes safely, only for this major story thread to be rendered irrelevant and pointless by the use of Henry’s DNA to activate the RedVerse BBM. Why did they need to cross to our Universe anymore? That felt arbitrary and a bit sloppy to me.

    Other than that though, it was a great finale, I’m happy to say I didn’t see Peter’s “>poof< eh? WTF???" coming, and I wait with bated breath for season 4.

    Sadly, judging by the ever-plummeting viewership – the finale was the lowest of the season – I suspect 4 is the final season. I hope it comes to a spectacular, memorable and unexpected end. And if John Noble doesn't get an Emmy, we should campaign for one for him.

    But please, anything but the deus ex machina cop-out we saw in Galactica!

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    • says

      “At the end of the finale, I counted only *ten* Observers standing in front of the Statue of Liberty, included the one obscured by The writers have indicated that there are 12 Observers, one for each month, hence their names. We know that one allowed himself to be killed, but I assume that he would have to be replaced? So why hasn’t he yet? What are the Observers waiting for?”

      I would think he’d be replaced also. Perhaps they’re waiting for the child Observer to gain his stripes? It would be interesting to know what death really means for an Observer.

      “I would say a really cool and freaky resolution to the mole baby is that he’s Henry Bishop – remember Walternate messed with his DNA, although I heard a rumour that one of the writers said on Twitter that he’s gone for good. However here’s an even crazier thought: perhaps mole baby IS Peter, reborn into our world somehow, probably triggered by Olivia?”

      That would be a splendid tie-in! :)

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  5. Underseer says

    Sorry, “included the one obscured by” should have been “included the one obscured by December”

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  6. Aaronia says

    I wouldn’t say molebaby, but what if baby Henry gets unstuck from existence in red universe and becomes the child observer that Olivia befriended Over Here?

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    • Underseer says

      Sorry I thought we meant the Observer child when referring to ‘molebaby’? If not, sorry for the confusion, I did mean the Observer child.

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      • Aaronia says

        Oh, I see now, that you had already expressed that same idea.

        I believe Roco usually refers to the monster in episode 2×2 “Night of Desirable Objects” with the term “molebaby” (you, know, the monstruous kid that had grown underground and ate people).

        But I like the idea of the observer kid being in connection with the vanishing of Peter and baby Henry.

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