FRINGE: 4.04 Subject 9 — REVIEW

by Roco on October 16, 2011 · 56 comments

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Could the much-hyped “Subject 9″ deliver enough overarching mythology and character development to satiate its most devoted followers? Read our review to find out.

THE GOOD

  • Sub9 contained a nice blend of character and mythology development that continued overarching themes and brought the story to the next arc.
  • Walter and Olivia deserve specific mention. They were great to watch and I found myself wanting to know more about their relationship in this altered state.
  • Despite hints of budget constraints, the episode was wonderfully filmed without being overly forceful.
  • Astrid’s “Really?”. Oh, Astro, all is forgiven!
  • Always good to see Nina, and about time too. She didn’t just come with orange hair, she brought new character dynamics for this brave new timeline.
  • Character motivations were a lot stronger in this episode. Crucially, I didn’t feel an overriding sense that the characters should be frying bigger fish. The fish was big enough, certainly it felt that way.
  • The fully fledged return of Peter came earlier than necessary but it was very nicely done and contained Fringe-worthy symmetry.
  • The cliffhanger. Not quite as cathartic as AITW, but the episode delivered two bounds of emotional payoff that will have ongoing importance.
THE BAD

  • In many ways it felt like I had seen the meat of the episode already, so the element of discovery was less than it should have been. Peter’s return should not have been spilled since it was an indoor shoot. I point to Inception and any number of Bad Robot projects as how to effectively tease a mystery project without giving important plot details away. Oh, wait..
  • I would have liked to have explored Olivia’s dream interactions with Peter a bit more to find out what that entailed. Peter’s return was well executed, but it seems a touch early. Just a touch.
  • I thought the Cameron story was wrapped up a bit too neatly. It served a purpose but it was another case of “thanks for all the fish!” It just needed that extra step to make it completely satisfying ala Nick Lane or Milo.
  • I’m still hankering for Walternate and the parallel universe/BBM. This episode itself didn’t call for it, but some updates on those elements would be nice.
THE OVEREVIEW

  • Alone In The World ended on the rousing “We have to find him!”, so I was pleased to see this episode continue that line of thought, even though it wasn’t immediately obvious.
  • That’s one of the good things about this episode, while there was an overriding sense that Peter was related to the Blue Orb of Energy (BOE), it wasn’t clear-cut (promo photos aside) in the way it was approached.
  • And what a magnificent BOE it was! There are far worse things to wake up to at 6AM in the morning.
  • Walter’s Matrix reference was a fun and informing moment, and Astrid looked hella cool in those shades.
  • Walter thinking Oliva’s only visiting — it’s nice to watch the interactions between these two. The moments where they’re searching each other out are great.

  • I liked Walter’s explanation for why only he could see Peter, conjuring the notion that elements of his subconscious mind still point in the direction of the OT.
  • Interesting when considering Walter was the one who appeared to hold on to Peter the longest after he blinked out of existence.
  • Walter’s Matrix idea was also pretty solid and I can envisage an episode where it would have been the thing that led them to finding Peter. Instead it was a theory that didn’t provide the answer within itself, and I kind of like that.
  • I don’t call Olivia The Dunhamnator for nothing. Girl is a warrior. I can’t believe she kept her BOE mark to herself while Walter tapped into his inner Neo. Actually, I can. Girl is a warrior!
  • I almost laughed out load when Olivia said that BOE made a “droning noise”. Is that what you REALLY think of Peter, Liv? A bit harsh to be fair, I mean, it’s not like he’s a vacuum cleaner.

  • Some nice backstory details: “Walter, do you think that I’m causing this, like when I was a child and I set fire to the room?”
  • So THAT still happened. Nice to know. Also, interesting that Olivia starts out questioning whether she is causing BOE, yet when later confronted with the suggestion she repels the notion. There’s also an underlying Walter thread here that I’ll pick at shortly.
  • As for the plot device of the St. Claire’s letter? Let’s just say that not all plot devices are bad. Indeed, the PD has garnered a negative reputation over the years due to misuse and ‘easy-outs’, but overarching stories need well-crafted plot devices.
  • This one was seamlessly integrated to the point where I thought: “Wow, this one is seamlessly integrated!”
  • What did it do? What didn’t it do! It continued a thread from the previous episode, deepened my investment in Olivia and Walter’s NT relationship, gave Walter motivation to leave the Lab, made me want him to succeed on a personal level, and it came back into play at the end to deliver emotional pay-off that coincided with another moment of emotional magnitude.

  • And it just doesn’t hurt that the PD was a letter. I mean, come on.
  • Add to that the fact that there was a legit reason for Dunham to remove her letter-stuffed jacket and we pretty much have one of the outstanding PDs of the season so far.
  • Ok, enough about the PD. But I will continue to comment on Walter’s motivation to leave the Lab. This desire to prove himself useful is a very interesting concept. He outlines the situation:

“We’re not family. If I should cease to be useful. If my behaviours are outweighing my value..”

  • Walter doesn’t want to become obsolete, to serve his purpose. And he should know that sometimes fate can seem cruel. And yet, that same fate is a reminder of his own destiny. Intrinsic and Extrinsic forces combine to set him in motion.
  • After channeling her inner William Bellivia, Olivia says that she’s only trying to do what’s best, thus giving herself a bit of an escape hatch in case things go a bit mental-asylum. Walter asks: “what’s best for whom?”
  • Great question. A better one might have been “what’s best?”
  • Nina sure didn’t waste any time leaving her mark on the episode. Not only does she present herself and Massive Dynamic as neutralists with an amoral bent, but she and Olivia share a drastically different relationship, almost mother-daughter-esque.
  • Both great reveals that almost make up for the lack of Iron Maiden so far this season. It’s really quite something that she can come across cold, neutral, and compassionate in the space of a couple of minutes. It makes her infinitely interesting once again — foolish was I to doubt the enigma that is.

“We create technology, how it is used is not our concern..”

  • She’s almost scolding her pupils, reminding them that Prometheus can steal fire whenever the fringe he wants – to hell with how mortals use it!
  • Nature seeks to restore balance. Massive Dynamic seek to create neutral chaos. UNETHICAL.
  • But coins have two sides for a reason. Perhaps Nina’s outlook is not so lamentable? Should they police science? Is it their responsibility to say what’s bad and good?
  • It’s notable, however, that she’s not saying no-one should police it — just that it’s not their job to do it.
  • Maybe she believes that massive scale control is futile. We’ve seen how events repeat themselves even when people do their best to take the needle off the record-player.
  • Alternatively, perhaps she knows there are forces out there who are better placed to watch the watchmen? (I might be giving her too much credit.)
  • That being said, it does seem rather irresponsible for an instigator not to establish safeguards for their science. It’s an interesting character/mythology marker and provides a useful comparison for OT MD and Walter’s guilt and attempted redemption.
  • BOE’s appearances were fun to watch. He came with mixed connotations. The idea that he was trying to harm Olivia, protect her, and exact her deepest desires. All three hold up for me, given that we’re dealing with subconscious elements.
  • I liked Cameron. He essentially played the James Heath role but more convincingly. He was also more sympathetic because he didn’t go around killing fellow Cortexiphan subjects.

  • Aside for giving us more daddy issues, Cameron also had one of the coolest moments of the season as he Vs’d BOE in a battle of energizing proportions.
  • Before that, we got another nice moment where he asks if Walter can understand what it’s like to be a “freak”. Walter can, only too well. Through his experiences he’s become his own subject. Subject Zero.

“You’re not at all like I remember you.”

  • An ongoing theme — though the years have damaged Walter to the point of disrepair, they have also put him on the path to becoming a better man.
  • ‘Bad’ and ‘good’ tropes are often bandied about. But people can be better, and this is where Walter is for me.
  • In abstract, would he sacrifice his own sanity for such reward? It’s a question at the heart of his personal journey — what does he want from life? When the margins are squeezed, perhaps becoming a better man is not such a bad thing..

  • And as we discover, it may yet yield more than that..a second chance, perhaps? Not necessarily intrinsic to this timeline, but what is a timeline but a concept for understanding the lines we cross for the things we want the most.
  • BOE gives birth to boy wonder as Olivia’s scarred past also delivers unknowing reward. Who would have thought all that suffering would have been worth it. That’s the thing with lines, I guess. Sometimes they curve.
  • (But will it be worth it?)
  • The ever-deepening meaning attached Reiden Lake is a sublime overarching element, but I also appreciate the way the moment..     just..      held back on giving us Peter’s point of view.
  • We barely got anything from his perspective, leaving us in suspended animation until the very end where his first words are, quite fittingly, issued to Olivia. Sometimes you need that narrative detail otherwise it can feel a bit cheaty, but given that Peter is not part of this timeline, it made perfect sense.
  • You can imagine the less interesting alternative of seeing Peter being fished out of the lake and trying to explain who he is to characters we don’t give a toss about. Instead we get reintroduced to Peter through our glorious protagonist. It just works.
  • I was relieved to see that December hasn’t time-locked ‘September’ in a glass prison after disobeying further instructions. It’s always reassuring to see the bald head of ambiguity.
  • And I wonder..did a wee smile cross his lips? Careful September, you’ll soon be stealing the whole damn show. (DON’T TELL DUNHAM I SAID THAT).

  • Walter tells Olivia that she acted irrationally. “When I do that people say I’m crazy. I guess I’ve learned that crazy is a lot more complicated than people think”. That’s Walter basically sealing the deal.
  • Nice to have them share some more common ground, to understand each other a bit better. Last week the shared mind liberated Walter, this week it sets him free to a higher degree. Also nice for Olivia to do what feels right.
  • I’ve already mentioned the stellar ending, so let’s not double cream, but it was very satisfying. Sure, Peter’s no longer BOE (RIP my sweet) but he has an electrifying new hairstyle and he claims to know all of them. WTF!? Who is this wonderous man with the fringe. WHAT. THE. FRINGE?
CASE NOTES

  • “I believe the apparition may be out of phase with our reality. For that reason he may not be visible from all directions. Instead he is visible from one specific angle, which is why only I can see him…”
  • “Multiple cameras taking pictures from multiple angles”.
  • Good to see continuity with Walter’s bruised eye.
  • “..your equipment, recorded the event before it occurred?” A very interesting premise that will perhaps prove useful in examining just how Walter managed to draw Peter’s consciousness forward on the day they died.
  • Pulling back the lens and there’s an interesting concept with people reaching out to Olivia..the strong one. Her response, ultimately, was to help BOE, because it felt right. This works on several levels, but I like the lesser explored moral implications that this touches.
  • Interesting to see that Walter’s guilt and the C-tex trials have followed him over the many lines that he’s crossed. To be expected, yet only by exploring it that can we investigate the true meaning of what he did and where it has taken the story. There are lines and then there are lines, in every sense.

  • On a character note I found it interesting the way he rode his guilt to reassure Olivia that she was always the strongest..”the favorite”. Ok, give me one and that’s curious, but throw in the word “favorite” and that’s really interesting in this context.
  • Both from Walter’s POV, as he seems to be ingratiating himself to Olivia, almost highlighting her strength as a reason for experimenting on her.
  • And also from Olivia’s POV, to hear that she was popular, loved. She treats it as though it’s a foreign memory.
  • “We just own the patents”. Small line. Fantastic line.
  • I enjoyed the way Walter and Nina’s very different relationship is explored at a distance.
  • Walter looks almost proud as Olivia reels off a list of Cortexiphan achievements. Not so when he hears Astrid’s shock. He ends his remote observation.
  • “You need me. Without me, you can do nothing”.
  • It was helpful to see life outside the lab from Walter’s perspective.
  • The scene where Olivia is tending to Walter’s self-infliction provided nice insight into their NT relationship, and one of their sweetest moments to date.

  • “She liked that about me. I liked everything about her.”
  • Walter’s glad that Elizabeth never knew him like this, which is a bit of a weird thing to say given that she committed suicide. I don’t think he means it in the way it can be read (he’s probably taking the ‘best’ from the situation) but it’s interesting how language can rest on the precipice of human emotions.
  • That being said, it does tap into the wish fulfilment theme and one wonders if on some subconscious level his very relief is having an impact elsewhere. I mean, if hope is as powerful as the story has illustrated, then where does Walter’s peace of mind regarding his wife’s death rest? A difficult question but the story allows such consideration.
  • “until I realized, I was doing it to myself.” The mind creates reality, reality creates the mind. Would you like a chicken or egg with that?
  • I’ve spoken many times about the concept of Fringe is largely about “self-help”. This episode is a decent example of that.
  • Curious that Cam should ask Olivia whether Walter would tell her if she was responsible for BOE. This seems to connect with what I suggested earlier about Walter needing Olivia to see the positive results of the trials so that she doesn’t send him to St. Claire’s.
  • BOE and a bare nekkid Peter? Ok Fringe, now you’re spoiling me.
  • (incidentally, why was Peter nekkid? Naughty, Olivia. Very, very naughty..)
  • And you have to love how Peter had to go one better and get his own mahoosive B&P Tank. (minus the B&P, of course).
  • How interesting that we may get to explore last season’s identity themes from a wider perspective. Back then Peter didn’t know his Olivias from his Altlivias — now she doesn’t know him. So much talk has been about whether Olivia will remember how much she loves Peter, but let’s not ignore the question of whether Peter can love an Olivia who doesn’t share his memories.
  • I mean yes, of course he will given the way things have gone. But at the moment there’s a missing piece — how will he reconcile that, especially if it continues in the long-run?
  • Cameron’s “make him forget about me” was another curious line. It’s unclear whether he was forgiving Walter or just didn’t want the crazy SOB bothering him again. I kind of think the latter would make more sense, but I get a sense that it was the former. Indeed, the direction implies as much. Nice touch from Cam, definitely one of the more successfully realized C-texies.
  • I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the moment Olivia makes a good choice regarding Walter, The Boy resurfaces. Both outcomes are emotionally linked.
  •  Walter, just so you know..I would have ticked the same box as Olivia. You’re growing on me again. Let’s see if Petah’s return has any impact on our ..rekindled relationship.
ANSWERS

  • The Cortexiphan trials took place in this timeline. Olivia remembers them. She was experimented on but ran away several years before they ended. Even so, she was always the strongest.
  • As in the OT, William Bell helmed the Cortexiphan trials with Walter.
  • Nina says the Cortexiphan files were sealed for 20 years and that some of the files were lost. Walter has reason to doubt her.
  • To her knowledge, Cameron is the first Cortexidult that Olivia has met or heard about since childhood. It’s implied that Olivia’s is less familiar with her abilities (in adulthood) than she was in the OT.
  • As suspected, Walter confirms that Elizabeth killed herself in this timeline. Though it’s (possibly) implied that she did so prior to Walter stealing the other Peter.
  • Peter has been brought through to the new timeline courtesy of Olivia’s subconscious mind. He remembers his fellows and seems to believe they should remember him.
MYSTERIES

  • Why specifically did young Olivia run away from the Cortexiphan trials?
  • Who is Broyles’ boss?
  • What is Peter’s perspective on events? Has he undergone any changes?
  • Will there be any consequences following Peter’s return?
  • What will the Observers do now that Peter’s back? Why didn’t the others PEM him if September wasn’t prepared to?
  • December implied that bad things would happen if his friends find out the boy lived to be a man. What, exactly, will happen?
FINAL THOUGHTS

A high-quality instalment that followed through on character and mythology elements. Now that Peter’s back it’s good to have him. Sub9 is an episode that edges Fringe back towards the kind ‘event TV’ that we all know it could be on a weekly basis.

Best Moment: Tough one, there were several best moments but if you held Olivia’s gun to my head I’d plump for the sequence that led to Peter’s return through Reiden Lake.

Best Performance: Anna Torv.

Best Line: “Now I welcome his visitation”. :)

Takeaways: Olivia did what was best.

I don’t hand these out often: 9/10 Seriable Stars

{ 56 comments… read them below or add one }

Dessy October 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Great review Roco, as usual.
9 stars, I can see you agree with me that this was the best season 4 episode so far. It was great seeing Nina again, her opening monologue was just awesome.

I also agree: seeing all the different relationships (Walter/Liv, Nina/Liv) was very interesting. But I disagree, I didn’t like the Cortexiphan kid parts much (except for the last airbender-ish hand movements he was doing)

I always find something in your reviews to make me laugh:
“(incidentally, why was Peter nekkid? Naughty, Olivia. Very, very naughty..)”
I look forward to your next review in the next 2 – ugh >:( -weeks.

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RoSull October 16, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I also agree that ‘Subject 9′ was the better of the episodes so far. It almost begs the question: ” Why did we need to establish Lincoln Lee in the first 3 episodes?”. Clearly our fringies have an awesome chemistry together regardless which timeline they are in. As plot devices go, Over Here Lincoln has been the ultimate…thus far. There is plenty of time to be introduced to more Lincoln back story (though I hope we don’t go there just yet).

I am glad that we have established that the Cortexiphan trials have happened in this timeline, but what does it mean that Olivia had not encountered any other Cortexiphan subjects up until she met Cameron?

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Rick Terry November 3, 2011 at 10:41 PM

I take it to mean; There was never any Cortexiphanee on Cortexiphanee crimes like we saw in season two when that guy (name escapes me at the moment) was killing all the other ex-cortexikids. Or for that matter they didn’t use them in the crossover to the other universe in this timeline either.

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Red Balloon November 3, 2011 at 10:49 PM

I think you’re talking about Dr. Issac Winters (The man with the glasses) or Agent Harris (gives me the chills)

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Rick Terry November 4, 2011 at 1:08 AM

No it is…hold on I’m heading to Fringepedia.com….

….Five minutes later “James Heath” remember he was sapping energy to prevent his cancer from spreading, but his victims were all cortexi-kids all grown up. I’m just guessing that never happened in the new time-line. considering that NT-L Olivia claims she never encountered any of them yet.

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wikiaddicted723 October 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Excellent review, Roco, as always! I just love how the writers play with us by using parallels. The BOE was eerily reminiscent to the “Ghost” of Alice’s husband in 6B, cementing in itself the parallels already drawn between Olivia and the elderly woman. It only reinforced one of the most intriguing of themes for me: Quantum Entanglement.

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Amanda October 16, 2011 at 3:01 PM

On the live tweets, either Joel or Jeff said that Broyles’ boss is the President. Just clearing that one up for you! Great review :)

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YourPique October 17, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Hard to swallow but not surprising – knowing what he is managing (the potential end of 2 worlds!), I would hope he would report to someone high up!

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OldDarth October 16, 2011 at 3:46 PM

9 out of 10 for me too.

Time has passed for Peter in some manner – his cuts are all healed.

Has Peter just repeated the same event that Walter? Walter breached the natural laws of reality to cross over & caused the current crisis. Peter’s crossing, perhaps exacerbated by Olivia’s intervention of Mark Little, affected the laws of time. Will the natural flow of time be disrupted by Peter’s arrival?

And will that be the crisis of focus for the next group of episodes? And will this lead to some convergence of the two timelines?

Lots of exciting possibilities!

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wikiaddicted723 October 16, 2011 at 3:54 PM

This has me thinking that part of the new threat, or the people behind the new threat might be the Observers themselves, being the keepers of the time stream and all…interesting.

It’s just so full of ways it could branch out. Imagine the impossibilities indeed.

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Mochi October 16, 2011 at 3:58 PM

I am intrigued by the Nina/Olivia relationship — she was there when she went to the prom?

(LOL, Peter’s electrifying new hairstyle)

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RoSull October 16, 2011 at 5:30 PM

“I am intrigued by the Nina/Olivia relationship — she was there when she went to the prom?”

Yeah, I hope we find out what that exchange between the two was all about. As far as we have seen, Nina wasn’t really around the children during the Cortexiphan trials. Unless, when Olivia ran away she ran away to William Bell’s place and because he was always “out of town” that was when she and Nina became close (see, now I am venturing into fanfic territory).

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Aria Mohtadi October 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Great review, and lots of fun! :D

Glad to have yet another amusing Fringe episode (after the 1st two episodes of this season, which were kind of unsetlling, partially due to Lincoln’s dull characterization, IMO), which is what we expect of the writers to deliver; to let things unfold, instead of forcing them to.
I felt lots of season 1 vibe in this one, which was good.

When it comes to Olivia + Walter lab adventures, you can always expect sheer awesomeness happening; such as in last season’s LSD.

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Anita October 16, 2011 at 5:30 PM

During the live tweet I asked Jeff Pinkner who Broyles’ boss is and he said the President of the United States. :)

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WaySeeker October 16, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Maybe for Peter he did have the B&P … if the folks in the boat were named
B__ & P___ lol
If they do an outtake with Peter in a B&P popping out of that lake I am going to die laughing! What a great shout out to the fans and just plain comedy that would be.
Would it have made more sense for Petah to rise out of the lake in his MD X-Men suit that he was last seen wearing? … or ripping out of Peter-tyke clothes that he fell into the icy lake in this new TL? Or in a suit and hat Observer-style!
Nope … we need the Naughty Olivia Version XD … dreams huh? And he is in water. Dreams of Peter + naked Peter in water … nope I not saying a thing!
:-X
Seriously, it was like rebirth, a natural water birth (awwwh), and the water represents emotions and the subconcious, it is a dream symbol.

Or a nightmare if your those poor boat people fishing a strange nekkid man into your boat *shudders* at least they helped instead of saying
“ROW AWAY! ROW AWAY!” (life is but_ a dream)

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runthegamut October 18, 2011 at 8:54 AM

The waterbirth comment made my day. :) It makes sense though, since that’s where young red Peter’s body would have been. Now it isn’t as though they can exhume a grave to check whether it’s really him or not.

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fringefan2009 October 16, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Man, that was a superb episode and your review, as always, was awesome. I am so excited to see the relationship development in the new timeline. I’m really loving it so far. I wonder what Peter will think when he realizes the differences.

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Red Balloon October 16, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Oh you Roco!, always make me LOL. I can see in your review that you really enjoyed this one, as I did.

I’m feeling more connected to the characters in this NT, maybe it’s because of those little details about Walter forgetting Astrid’s name; knowing that Olivia still is a Cortexiphan kid; that Broyles has the same office, although the Nissans instead of the Fords have me a little nervious, ha ha

OMG, Nina is Olivia’s Godmother!… well that’s what I believe. Maybe after Olivia killed her stepfather and her mom died, she went to live with her uncle (Zeno-kayak), who maybe was in a relationship with Nina ;)
What’s great about this NT, is that we now have new possibilities to enhance our characters qualities right from the start. Like Nina’s new angle; Olivia being more open and less bitter about the experiments, and having a new partner-confident; and Walter‘s self-help approach to connect himself into a new reality (I believe that his conscious is aware of the many looping he’s have and has evolved into a self-protective mechanism). So I’m hoping that we see a more independent Walter who takes the initiative to solve with an apocalyptic rhythm, the mess the Observer has created.

I love the fact that we had our chance to know all of them in other circumstances when they were in the OT, but I’m 100% more interested in knowing how things should have being if September’s intervention never occurred. Even if his plan didn’t work (about Peter never existing), we now have the chance to know what the original plan was, and maybe even find out that this is the OT and not the other way around.

Great Performances from Anna!… She and Walter had me hooked all the time.

See you in two weeks!

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Page 48 October 16, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Peter Bishop is The Face of BOE?

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Sasha October 18, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Hahahaha, that’s what I kept thinking about when I would read “BOE”. Yay Doctor Who!

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WaySeeker October 18, 2011 at 6:42 PM

hehehe, NICE! yAy Doctor Who!

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Niomi Lianne October 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM

I think little olivia ran away cause she killed her step dad

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Tallulah October 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM

^good point.

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Tallulah October 17, 2011 at 7:52 AM

Great episode, great review. Ill have to watch again to get everything…maybe in two weeks, before the next (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr). BTW, I heard tell it’s not on next week due to BASEBALL. Is this true? And if so, is if an effing JOKE?!

Do people think this timeline is now the default and going to keep going? Or is Peter going to do something and revert back to the one we’ve been watching for over three years?

I just think the beginning of this season has just been a character and theme study in what life is like without Peter, and things will go back to ‘normal’. How quickly Peter came back makes me think this more (I was sure it was going to be at least 8 or so episodes).

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Page 48 October 17, 2011 at 10:08 AM

“BTW, I heard tell it’s not on next week due to BASEBALL. Is this true? And if so, is if an effing JOKE?!”

There is no baseball on October 21.

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WaySeeker October 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Also, there is no crying in baseball.

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Page 48 October 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Unless you take a foul tip in the family jewels. Then there may be crying. But no one, other than the 50,000 fans at the park and the millions watching live on FOX, will ever know.

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K October 17, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Another great review with two comments:
1) Broyles boss is most certainly The President

2) Surprised you would say you would tick the same box. I mean, it helps the story (maybe), but last episode Walter was lobotomizing himself by driving a pick into his eye and this episode he drew blood tearing a hotel room to shreds in a psychotic rage. Walter is clearly a danger to himself.

What if, after all that other stuff, she still felt what was “best” was to put him back in St. Claire’s? Peter shows up AND Walter back in the hospital? Might have been interesting. Anyway, just pointing out that keeping him out of the hospital is less believable for me.

Otherwise, great show. Great review. Looking forward to Observations.

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Roneo October 17, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Well, I think we have to trust in Olivia’s sense of “right”…..

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Kira October 17, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Very eloquent your review, I think that I liked it better than the episode itself.

I saw all the positive points on this chapter, at the same time for me they are no so good points. But when you use the word ‘seamless’, I realize that I was expecting the glaring seams, hear the loudness of it all (which is not good!! when did that happen?). Perhaps they can use this writing (seamless) more often, it would give to this fourth season a high level (much needed).
I didn’t catch the first time the noise of the ‘blue energy’, It’s the sound of the BBM, isn’t it? (By the way: “OMFG! Ma BBM is leaking!” ROFL)

The brilliant job of Noble and Torv, no complains there. However is starting to worry me that the writers/producers depend too much on their characters to make a impact/point, when there are a splendid cast very commited to this project.

On the tweets, was mentioned that Nina was the legal guardian of Olivia and (dramatic music)…Rachel. There will be Observers episodeS.

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Dac October 18, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I find Nina as a gaurdian the most interesting change they’ve developed in the NT. I wonder how it “worked”. We know that when Peter was little in the OldT, he spent some time with Nina, so maybe Olivia was there in his place instead.

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FringeFriday October 17, 2011 at 2:01 PM

If the Cortexiphan trials still took place but Olivia ran away prior to their end, I guess David Robert Jones is still alive and he might still be in prison. Mitchell Loeb must have had died because there was no Peter to be used as the mouthpiece to tell them about “Little Hill”. Or Mitchell Loeb died, Jones still escaped prison, but made it to the other universe safely(as far as I remember Peter closed the portal that sliced Jones into two pieces) !? I wonder, too, if the light test still happened on the roof. Olivia as an adult doesn’t seem to have gotten any dose of cortexiphan lately. I am so excited!!!

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Dac October 18, 2011 at 10:57 AM

It seems to me that she hasn’t tested or tried to harness her abilities at all yet. I wonder if they will still be the same or different now?

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WaySeeker October 18, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Yeah! What does this mean re: DRJ? And Mitchell Lobe, yeah.

Would it be so bad to see some re-plays of past season scenes without Peter? Perhaps when Peter says “I did ___” Walter cna say “No it went like this: _____” and each time we get a scene of what happened.
To complicte things it could be a mixed-up narrative where you take one or a few scenes and have different characters points-of-view, much like Chung’s in The X-Files! hehehe Jose Chung like story in Fringe? GOLD!

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FringeFriday October 19, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I am all for Robert David Jones coming back!!!!
And flashbacks like that would be great, but I guess we will not get them. They will wrap the story of the past in this timeline up in dialogues only, I guess….

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Alex October 17, 2011 at 3:45 PM

If I recall correctly, the C-tex trials took place in the OT to find a alternate way for Walter to bring back Peter once cured from his disease.
However, in this timeline, Peter supposedly drowned in Reiden Lake upon crossing. Walter thus would have no need to find alternate ways to cross-over.
The true question is: what would then be this timeline’s purpose for c-tex trials?

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YourPique October 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM

In the old timeline, the c-tex trials were started several years before Blue-Peter died, for an unknown purpose…but most likely had something to do w/ protecting Over Here from Over There. Walter restarted them when he needed to find a way to send Red-Peter home.

The fight between worlds seemed to always be in “the plans”…it just happened differently w/o any Peter.

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Red Balloon October 17, 2011 at 11:56 PM

That’s almost correct from both…

From 1.14 Ability:
Nina/Olivia: “Cortexiphan, It was part of a clinical trial on a drug that Dr. Bell created in 81′… Dr. Bell theorized that the human mind at birth it’s infinitely capable and that every forced encounters: social, physical, intellectual, it’s the beginning of a process he referred to as “limitation”, a diminishing of that potential… and Cortexiphan… it was meant to limit that “limitation”, to prevent the natural shrinking of that brain power… Dr. Bell abandon his research on Cortexiphan in 1983″

From 2.16 “Peter” year 1985:
Walter/Carla/Pentagon.-”For the last several years, William and I have been conducting various experiments regarding this other universe, so based on our findings we developed a window … a way to looking into this neighboring world” (to steal technology)

Walter/Olivia.- “I was I different man then, I was going to change the world, but you see, after Peter became sick…etc”

From 3.15 “Subject 13″ year 1985:
Walter/Elizabeth.- “It’s not about you and me and Peter anymore, don’t you see what I’ve done, I crypt there during the night … and I stole their child, If we don’t return him, they’ll figure it out that I have him, and they’ll come after us, I know, because that’s what I would do… so you would sacrifice one for the other, this little girl Olivia for Peter… No!, but for thousands of others or millions, it would have to be considered”

From 2×22 Over There Part I:
Walter/Cortexiphan Subjects.- “But know that we had noble cause, we believed that our world needed guardians, protectors, that you children would be those protectors, fostered your talents because we foresaw that the day would come when both universes would be in jeopardy, so horrible as it is to say, today is the day for which you were created”

For what I can see, first it was a vocation thing from a passionate couple of scientists, to enhance future generations abilities, but after Walter opened a crack between the universes, they started to prepare guardians for a possible future war.

So I think since Walter still crossed over there in this NT, even though Peter was not saved, the crack still happened, so they still would have foresaw future jeopardy for both worlds, wouldn’t they?

Anyway, sorry for this long long intrusion, but you made me think…
It was nice to look up for the quotes though, since it is a two week hiatus ;)

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YourPique October 18, 2011 at 8:57 PM

I still think the war was pending, even before Bell/Walter started meddling. They’ve inferred that the only reason the war was happening was because Walter stole red-Peter – otherwise, Walternate would have no reason to wage war on Over Here.

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Sofia October 18, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Great review!

I think that Olivia does run from the cortexiphan trial, in the same way that she run in the past. The difference seems to be that in the OT the young Peter was there in the white tulip field for reassure her, for to hold her hand and to convince she to come back and deal with her life.

So, she goes away…

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Chi October 18, 2011 at 12:12 PM

A lovely review Roco, thanks :)

I DO like this episode, and I agree with you (despite how much I LOVE Peter’s character and Joshua Jackson), Peter’s comeback does seem a “smidge” too early. However it’s good he’s back, we can hopefully get on with more meaty aspects of this overall story and watch the new interactions that will happen now that he’s back.

My theory on why Olivia ran away – everything seems to go back to her not meeting Peter and therefore her Step dad carrying on his abuse, thereby pushing her to the limit causing her to kill him – and possibly run away after that. I’d imagine after killing someone, the mind is so unsettled, it wont be easy to remain the same environment with the same people.

I cant wait to see things from Peter;s POV, I hope they show it to us. Where he’s been all this time, how much time elapsed for him, who earased him in the first place (and the reasoning behind it), why the Observers don’t want him around, how he was able to attempt and then achieve pushing through to this timeline…. too much remains un answered!!

The team will definitely need information he has, because I doubt they would have solved all the cases without him there – I mean he did help to keep Walter focused (as brilliant as he is, the man has issues) and brought a bit to the table himself. They might not want to trust him (when does the FBI ever trust anyone) but they will have to eventually – he knows too much.

The Observers (except September) are looking a lot like baddies at the moment. I wonder how they’re gonna react to Peter’s return. My guess is Mr D. will be pissed..

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Peanut October 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM

An exceptional review, Roco. I enjoy your sense of humor & in-depth analysis.

Even as an energy blob in a new timeline, Peter is still having car encounters.

Walter mentions that some Cortexiphan kids developed emotional problems. If the doses only lasted 24 hours, why did the children become so dysfunctional? And there was no follow-up to see what became of these problem children with extraordinary abilities?

It was good to see “Ninakins” back. She is close to Olivia as her former guardian, but I bet that Nina was tempted to drop R@ch by the side of the road and leave her. Olivia must have insisted on keeping her sister.

Because of cutbacks at Massive Dynamic, there are no longer any Ethics Division employees or even ethics consultants, evidently.

Olivia needs to check her Fringe manual—even I know that bullets don’t work on energy fields. She was a bit shooty in this episode.

Walter is munching on a peanut & using peanuts for his experiments. Not to mention Olivia’s stepping on a poor, helpless PEANUT (ouch—watch where you put those size eights, Liv).

Father & son go fishing at Reiden Lake and, instead of catching a nice striped bass or walleye, they net Naked Peter. Must have been disappointing for them, but at least they could dine out on the tale. They must be wondering if the lake is stocked with people instead of fish. (Is young DeadRedPeter still in the lake?)

Peter probably came back because of the difficulty in getting a decent haircut, wherever it is that he’s been. Going for the Roman centurion look? Still got the perma-stubble, I see.

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qbanarik October 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM

And was it me or did boy wonder gain some weight while gone? I noticed his face a tad rounder and an overall plumper look. Poor thing, he was probably missing the action while he was trapped God knows where ;)

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Peanut November 3, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Wherever he went–evidently, no exercise rooms for energy blobs there.

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Betty October 30, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Peanut, sounds like you get no respect, no respect. lol !!
Reidan Lake and Lock Ness Peter sightings. Interesting.

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Schoko October 18, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Since Peter is the BOE, did he kick that bathroom door closed? I know it’s not exactly the same as kicking it down or open, but still… :)

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Peanut October 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM

No matter the timeline, Peter still has it in for doors. Thanks for pointing out this instance.

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SugaredWhimsey October 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM

I was re-watching the first season of Fringe and I’m struck by how Peter treats Olivia when they first meet- first episode right out of the gate, though some of his lines are sharp, watch the way Peter looks and touches Olivia. He does so gently, and almost tenderly. We’ve seen that he has the capacity to be ruthless, but even though Peter knows Olivia is blackmailing him to save her bf John Scott, he is immediately drawn to her. Is that because of their childhood connection?
If, as the series suggests, the touch of a person can be felt after the memory is gone and we couple that with Olivia’s now latent psychic powers will we have that same reaction, but from her?

And geez, how is that for cosmic comeuppance. Cannot tell your girlfriend apart from her doppelganger gets you erased from time. You couldn’t recognize so no one will recognize you.

Also, I’m betting Olivia, without a Peter, killed her step-father and ran away afterwards. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nina picked her up. However, if we add Nina’s involvement in Olivia’s growing up, how is it that Olivia works for the government and not for Massive Dynamic? Nina did try to get her to work there, remember, and Olivia, in season one, states that she knew what she wanted to be when she was 9. So if we change her background substantially it’s interesting to note that she ended up in exactly the same place, dare we say the place she is supposed to be?

So…clearly in this new timeline something went amiss with activating or searching for the Cortexiphan kids. Does this mean re-written timeline has no David Robert Jones?

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SugaredWhimsey October 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM

I also don’t agree that that Naked Peter is supposed to be sexual or a fragment of Olivia’s lust bunny feelings. This instance isn’t about sex, it’s about birth. Natural births, remember, happen in bathing pools. Water itself is symbolized as the beginning of life, is associated with fertility, transformation, sub/unconscious, renewal, purification and intuition. Reiden lake, specifically, is already a doorway, the point where the worlds are pierced. Walter used that location to cross over because of the properties of water.

Peter has already been born from that lake once- he was pulled out of it after crossing over. Reiden lake is where Peter is born into our world, moving from a fluid state into air. Getting rematerialized with clothes on would be strange, since why would the Universe make some denim to cover your bits? Does the Universe care that your wang is showing? It’s already defying reason hauling your ass back.

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Mel Duff October 19, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Perhaps less “born” in the lake than “baptized”? Baptism is an affirmation of faith.

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Walternate October 18, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Roco, I got the idea that when Olivia said “you should recognize that name,” in referring to Broyles’ boss, I got the idea that it was a government official, possibly the President or a Cabinet member.

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Wizard October 18, 2011 at 9:05 PM

“..your equipment, recorded the event before it occurred?”

O-oo, Deja Vu!

NEO: Whoa. Deja vu
TRINITY: What did you just say?
NEO: Nothing. Just had a little deja vu.
TRINITY: What happened? What did you see?
NEO: A black cat went past us and then I saw another that looked just like it.
TRINITY: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
NEO: It might have been. I’m not sure.
NEO: What is it?
TRINITY: A deja vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.

Sorry…I just couldn’t help but draw an analogy of that Fringe scene to the Matrix movie.

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Rick Terry November 3, 2011 at 11:13 PM

I like where you’re going with this.

Also remember that Walter was using “Matrix Style” photography to catch Ghost Peter, and he watched “The Matrix” to get himself calmed down for bed the night before as well. All that coupled with your insight might be telling us something here. Good one!!

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G33k October 19, 2011 at 3:48 AM

John Noble must be so happy someone besides him was finally naked. XD

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edgesight October 20, 2011 at 8:34 AM

The reason Olivia ran away happened in “Subject 13″ but Peter told her to give Walter a chance so she went back and got picked up by her step-father. Since she was in a calmer state of mind she didn’t kill her step-dad. In the current timeline she was still afraid and ended up killing him.

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qbanarik October 29, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Let’s not forget she shot him on the OT. Her aim was probably a bit off or she got shaky handed remembering Peter’s words, so the SOB got lucky and didn’t die from his wound.

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