Fringe 3.08 Canadian Promo: Red Flags for Peter Bishop?

Looks can be deceiving, as Peter has just found out. But on the basis of the Canadian promo, next week’s returning episode of Fringe looks like being a doozy.

If you’re not spoiler-free, head past the jump to feast your eyes on how the folks at Citytv have framed 3.08 “Entrada”.

Fringe 3.08 “Entrada” Canadian Promo:

Now, I’m not one to trawl through promos as I prefer to encounter episodes as ‘raw’ as possible. But Peter’s confrontation with Altlivia raises some flags. Big red flags.

  • I sure hope that the FIRST question Peter asks Altlivia isn’t, “how’d you replace our Olivia?”, because that would speak of his pride hurting over the fact that he was duped, rather than his main concern being the welfare of the stranded Dunhamnator.
  • The fact that he says “our Olivia” implies that he even in the immediate aftermath of the veil crashing down, Peter still sees Altlivia as being an ‘Olivia’ in and of herself (and I agree, she is). Because, he could have said: “how’d you replace Olivia?”. So this is a potentially revealing character insight, as it might suggest that Peter will continue to have feelings for Altlivia, feelings that he wont (or can’t) let go of.

Of course, it’s early days yet and I’m merely speculating on 2 second exchange, the context of which is untethered. Still, should be interesting.

Fringe 3.08 “Entrada” airs Thursday, December 2, on Fox.

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  1. mlj102 says

    “I sure hope that the FIRST question Peter asks Altlivia isn’t, “how’d you replace our Olivia?”, because that would speak of his pride hurting over the fact that he was duped, rather than his main concern being the welfare of the stranded Dunhamnator.”

    Good point. I hadn’t thought of that on my own, but I agree. I hope he will show some concern for Olivia, asking where she is, what they’ve done to her, or something else along those lines, before asking how they replaced her. That said, I do think it’s logical for him to ask how she was able to replace Olivia… After a revelation like this, he’s got to be asking himself how it happened and how he never realized it. In some ways, I think he’s asking himself that question as much as he’s asking alternate Olivia. He’s got to be feeling like the biggest fool on the planet and asking himself how someone who is obviously so different could come in and replace her, and he would have no idea what had happened. So I could understand it if his first question was the instinctive “How did this happen without me knowing it?”

    “So this is a potentially revealing character insight, as it might suggest that Peter will continue to have feelings for Altlivia, feelings that he wont (or can’t) let go of.”

    This one, however, I interpreted quite differently from you. While I agree that Peter’s use of “our Olivia” suggests that he still views her as legitimately an Olivia, I saw his distinction of using our Olivia as a very loyal stand for him to make. For me, that was his way of making it clear that he has no attachment to her as alternate Olivia and that, now that he knows who she is, he no longer views her as one of their own. It actually reminds me of what Newton said in Do Shapeshifters Dream when he told alternate Olivia that, deep down, Peter suspected that she wasn’t “his Olivia”. To me, it’s showing that while there’s no question that she is a version of Olivia, they’re drawing a line and distinguishing between the two. It emphasizes the idea that Peter only loved alternate Olivia because he thought she was his Olivia — he thought she was a different person. But now that he knows she isn’t who he thought she was, that connection is completely gone. Peter seemed very closed off and distanced in that brief exchange featured in this promo, and no matter how confused he may be feeling, I think it’s clear where his loyalties are and he doesn’t seem to be too fond of alternate Olivia at the moment.

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    • says

      “In some ways, I think he’s asking himself that question as much as he’s asking alternate Olivia. He’s got to be feeling like the biggest fool on the planet and asking himself how someone who is obviously so different could come in and replace her, and he would have no idea what had happened. So I could understand it if his first question was the instinctive “How did this happen without me knowing it?”

      Fair points, mlj. And I agree, he must be feeling a fool – and so he should. That being said, I would like to see him tuck away his pride and worry about Olivia before his ego. Granted, I expect him to ask, and he needs to find out as much info as possible, but on a character level it will be interesting to see which concern dominates his mind-space. It might tell us a lot about Boy Wonder.

      “While I agree that Peter’s use of “our Olivia” suggests that he still views her as legitimately an Olivia, I saw his distinction of using our Olivia as a very loyal stand for him to make. For me, that was his way of making it clear that he has no attachment to her as alternate Olivia and that, now that he knows who she is, he no longer views her as one of their own.”

      Interesting. I still see it the other way – though that could change once I’ve watched the episode, as context is always lacking with promos. That being said, I can see where you’re coming from and I would like to think that Peter was being instinctively loyal to Olivia. But even if this favored outcome turns out to be the case, what would that say about Peter’s broader mindset? That he’s so fickle that he’d suddenly consider his feelings towards Altlivia to be instantly worthless?

      Clearly he was in love with Altlivia – at least that is my interpretation of the narrative intent. So to suddenly render that meaning (contrived or otherwise) worthless would further cheapen Peter, in my opinion. There’s no good way out from this for Boy Wonder. He has to treat both Olivias carefully. Sure, he was conned by Altlivia, but he allowed it to happen – he sensed something was off but ignored it for some deep-lying reason. That reason, for me, is that he liked Altlivia – perhaps as much as he does Olivia. (different sides of the same coin, and all of that).

      Of course this entire plot is contrived, so that doesn’t help.

      Whichever way the cookie monster crumbles, it’s always good to have a variety of opinions. :) As always, thanks for sharing!

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      • mlj102 says

        “What would that say about Peter’s broader mindset? That he’s so fickle that he’d suddenly consider his feelings towards Altlivia to be instantly worthless?”

        Why not? I have to say, I disagree with your conclusion that Peter must have been in love with alternate Olivia, and that’s why he allowed himself to be deceived by her. I don’t think he loved her at all. He doesn’t even know her. She may have done a very poor job trying to be our Olivia, but she was trying, so she wasn’t being herself. He loves her because he thought she was our Olivia. He thought she was the person he knew. Our Olivia is the one he’d fallen in love with. He was simply too naiive and too blind to see that she was no longer that person. So once that illusion is revealed for what it is, it makes sense for him to pull away from alternate Olivia since she is not who he thought she was.

        Even if he did come to love certain aspects of alternate Olivia that are different from our Olivia, you can’t ignore the fact that she deceived him. He has no idea what she has done with the Olivia he really loves. She came in and pretended to be someone she wasn’t. She lied to him. She’s been working behind his back on a mission to destroy the universe he cares about. If I found out that someone I thought I knew had really been lying to me, I would be angry. I would be furious. I would distance myself from that person as much as I could despite whatever I had felt for that person, because I would feel that all of that had been a lie. Those feelings all developed because of a lie, so can you really trust that those feelings are real? In a lot of ways, it’s like what Walter did to him, but worse because this was more deliberate and focused and menacing. And Peter rightfully reacted very strongly when he found out the truth about that. So suddenly becoming very cold and spiteful towards alternate Olivia, despite whatever shallow feelings he may have developed for her, seems justified.

        Of course, as you said, Peter really is in a no win situation here. This contrivance has hurt his character the most. So what’s the best way out of it for him? How can he at least start to redeem himself? In my opinion, he needs to stand by his loyalty for Olivia. Yes, that relationship has suffered greatly because of the contrivance of him unable to see that Olivia had been replaced. But now that he knows who is who, he needs to support the person he really cares about without hesitation. I don’t want to see him torn between who he should support or who he really cares about. While alternate Olivia isn’t bad, it’s very clear that our Olivia has earned his loyalty, while alternate Olivia has been deceiving him and manipulating him from the beginning. There’s no question about who deserves his support. But if he starts questioning who he really cares about and who he really supports, that’s going to be the final axe to the relationship between Peter and Olivia for me — both their friendship and their romantic relationship. There would be no coming back from that. I couldn’t forgive him if he questioned his loyalty to our Olivia.

        And thank you for sharing your opinions, and for responding to my own. It always makes for interesting discussions and I enjoy seeing things from a different perspective that I hadn’t seen on my own. You always manage to make some very great points with the things you write.

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